within the first few minutes, mr. stewart asked geoffrey jackson if the members of the governing body consider themselves to be god's spokesperson on earth.. his response: "that would be presumptuous of us" (implying that they don't consider themselves to be god's sole channel of communication).. to me, that was the worst lie of about 26 lies he's told during this hearing.
however, mr. stewart missed an opportunity to call out mr. jackson on this bold-faced lie.
he should have asked him to explain why the watchtower magazine teaches otherwise.
Or simply ask:
"do you (Governing Body) view yourselves as Gods only channel of communication on earth today? "
Possibly also:
"And do Jehovah's Witnesses have to agree that you are the only channel of communication, or else they will be shunned?"
I don't understand why Mr.Stewart phrased the question in the only way that would allow Jackson to give a misleading answer?
within the first few minutes, mr. stewart asked geoffrey jackson if the members of the governing body consider themselves to be god's spokesperson on earth.. his response: "that would be presumptuous of us" (implying that they don't consider themselves to be god's sole channel of communication).. to me, that was the worst lie of about 26 lies he's told during this hearing.
however, mr. stewart missed an opportunity to call out mr. jackson on this bold-faced lie.
he should have asked him to explain why the watchtower magazine teaches otherwise.
No, it was the truth. All JW's are seen as spokesmen, or prophets, for God.
Theocratic warfare at its finest..
Stewart should ask him:
"Do the Governing Body teach that they are the only people on earth today who can decide the correct and truthful way to interpret the Bible..? and that they alone have the authority from the true God to do so..?
And would a JW be shunned for openly disagreeing with one of your teachings or interpretations, as published in the Watchtower magazine and also through letters from the Governing Body, if they did not respond to 'correction' , as in remaining silent?"
Please can someone email the RC??
We need to get GJ back in and ask these questions..!
i emailed mr. stewart about jackson's testimony, asking if the video link would be visible to the public.. this was his prompt reply:.
thank you dianne for your interest.
the it people tell me that mr jackson will be on the screen for all to see and hear.regardsangus stewart.
I have a sense that the Commission does have that information - there have been many interested people who have sent information on to them.
So...has anyone sent those links?
Understood. Hope you get a response to this soon.. There's only just over 24 hours left for him to read up and prepare. *bites fingernails*
I've been encouraging a lot of people (JW's) to watch this, it is vital Geoffrey is hit from every angle (so to speak).
Best wishes, OrphanCrow. You are one of the most valued members on here, I think. Take care of yourself :)
i emailed mr. stewart about jackson's testimony, asking if the video link would be visible to the public.. this was his prompt reply:.
thank you dianne for your interest.
the it people tell me that mr jackson will be on the screen for all to see and hear.regardsangus stewart.
Of course he'll word it better, I thought I made that clear, but I lack common sense and social skills.. Plus haven't slept much.
Orphan Crow, please send those links, it could make all the difference and he may just think I'm a total madman (probably right).
This is our last shot at making a real difference (possibly).
The leaders have not set the example in 'obeying Caesar'. They must be held to account for it publically..
the thing i find strange is that lots of jws seem as though they dont even want to hear godfrey jackson speak on friday can a member of the gb say somthing that is asposate lol
Just email them the link to the transcript of what he said. Maybe say he gave 'a fine witness'.
Would they have been afraid of watching Jesus in court?
(Had to leave space in the link or page goes funny)
Transcript will be here:
www.childabuseroyalcommission.
gov.au/case-study/636f01a5-50db-4b59-a35e-a24ae07fb0ad/case-study-29,-july-2015,-sydney.aspx
i emailed mr. stewart about jackson's testimony, asking if the video link would be visible to the public.. this was his prompt reply:.
thank you dianne for your interest.
the it people tell me that mr jackson will be on the screen for all to see and hear.regardsangus stewart.
NCC-1701 11 minutes agoThe XJW community on this forum is a force to be reconed with.
Amen to that ;)
We can really pull together when we have an event like this..
sorry had to come and rant.. been watching all the videos from the rc.
i am at day 5 and so far mr de rooy has been the worst.
many of the others are pretty bad too but at least they show they are concerned for their own fate.
Witness statements and exhibits:
Ron de Roy's statement:
i emailed mr. stewart about jackson's testimony, asking if the video link would be visible to the public.. this was his prompt reply:.
thank you dianne for your interest.
the it people tell me that mr jackson will be on the screen for all to see and hear.regardsangus stewart.
Thank you for that Orphancrow. That is a relief.
OrphanCrow, can I ask you something? I feel it's important.
Seeing as Mr Stewart listens to you and responds promptly, would you mind taking a look at the email I sent him.. And, only if you like the idea, would you consider sending all, or part of it, from your email address.. Please?
I really want him to have the chance to consider the information and the people watching, that's all.
The Governing Body encourage all other JW's to 'obey the superior authorities', after all... Yet have they done so, or have they disobeyed the authorities? (read the email to understand).
Maybe he could highlight that.
Thanks for listening anyway.. :)
.. if you are able to find time to do so?.
i only ask because he sounded like he might want to, on another thread.. apologies if i've got the wrong end of the stick, i just wanted to bring people together for brainstorming... wifibandit a day ago.
that is a great idea defender of truth!
Thanks for the support.
" I don't want a hate fest though as it's counter productive. "
I don't see how that applies here..?
The entire point is to provide a channel that only has the ARC videos, so it is completely safe for JW's to watch.
Right, WifiBandit?
what do you think of the following line of reasoning for helping a jw start to think about what they are admitting.. (essentially, the organisations way of handling child abuse has been wrong, harm has been caused, god is now putting it right.).
reply:.
"i appreciate your honesty, in admitting that child abuse has not been handled in the right way in the past.
But if cleansing or correction was necessary, so is repentance..
WE publishers are told that we can't have Gods favor unless:
when we make serious mistakes, or even unintentionally cause harm to others by our decisions, we are repentant, and apologise to restore peace when necessary..
Further, if our mistakes or incompetence have caused harm that cannot be passed over, it is our duty to apologise.
An apology on behalf of the organisation is needed to restore peace, then 'works that befit repentance'. ie changes to procedures and guidance, placing child safety above child molestors' confidentiality.
